is arrogance a sin?????
what does jah say about arrogance???.
claiming to be the only true org.
The Bible says that actually there is only "one faith." (Ephesians 4:5) Who, then, are the ones who form the body of true worshipers today?
Do you see the bait and switch? One faith becomes "WHO" and "BODY of worshipers" as if Eph 4:5 is speaking of a single organization.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
you certainly would not want to rely on some ancient political/religious writings as these would be unreliable proof due to thier subjective and heavily biased nature.
I'm speaking from a biblical perspective. Does the Bible show that God has foreknowledge?
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
So prove to me biblically that God IS bound by the physical laws.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
I'm almost done arguing with you, EP. As in every other past debate you make statements that seem to just be knee jerk reactions without any real thought being put into them. "That's not what it means". And yet you won't tell me what it means. You also haven't answered specific questions as to if God IS bound by laws of space and time, how?
You know what scriptures I am referring to above. 1Kings 8:27 which state that the universe cannot contain God. If God is not contained in the universe, then He must exist outside of physical laws.
It is almost a useless debate in that you are an atheist and you would disagree with anything that I said about the Bible.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
Doesn't change that the scripture doesn't say what you claimed.
I claimed that God is not bound by space. Read the verse again.
I don't have a problem with it, the scripture just doesn't say what you claimed it does.
Then what DOES it say? Enlighten me.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
I get the distinct sense you are making this up as you go along....
I am not. These are deep philosophical issues.
I'd like to hear your view of what the Bible says about the nature of God, sir82. I wasn't refering to multiple dimensions of time. Read the comment again regarding 3 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time. If I'm quoting out of context, show me. No one has thus far. They just keep saying I'm out of context.
If I'm wrong, then answer these questions biblically, whether you believe the Bible or not. That's all I'm speaking about. What does the Bible say about the nature of God in regards to time and space?
Is God bound by time according to the Bible?
Is God a material being that can be contained in physical space?
Is God NOT omniscient?
Is God NOT omnipresent?
Is God NOT omnipotent?
Also:
Remind me not to hire you as my lawyer.....
Good...that would be a bad idea since I never went to law school.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
That scripture is saying something completely different what what you are and they are not related in any way.
You keep saying that but are not able to show HOW. Jesus said " unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins." They had free will to believe or not believe. So no, I'm not going out of context of our discussion. I'm very much in the context.
You're making baseless comments in saying that the scripture is saying something differently, yet you cannot tell me how I am interpreting it wrongly.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
The Bible doesn't say that God is not bound by natural laws of space and time.
According to your wealth of apparent biblical knowledge, correct me. I haven't seen you use a single verse to contradict what I'm saying. Where does the Bible say that God is bound by natural laws?
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
That's not what that scripture says.
1Kings 8:27 says that the heavens of the heavens cannot contain God. In Hebrew this meant space beyond the earth. There are 3 heavens referred to in the Bible. The sky, the universe, and the spiritual heavens. 1Kings is speaking of the heavens of the heavens. This is the universe beyond earths sky. That would mean that the universe cannot contain God. Just because you say that is not what the scripture says does not make it so.
1Kings 8:39 speaks of God knowing the hearts of all men. If you have issue with that, you can read Proverbs 15:3 that says God's eyes are everywhere. Or Psalm 139:7-10: Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me.
just by knowing what will happen, that doesn't mean that we can prevent or cause something to happen.
my knowing that does not prevent them the free will of making the choice.. it's the same with god.
if god is not restricted to existence in the present, then the future is known by god because god indwells the future as well as the present and the past.
I'm also speaking biblically here. If God is not bound by the natural laws of space and time, then it resonable to conclude that God KNOWS what will happen before it happens. He also knows what has happened just as he knows what will happen.
Imagine being on the ground and looking at what was around you. Your perspective is limited and does not have the perspective of, say a helicopter. Imagine time being the ground where you are standing, and God being the helicopter. He can see what is behind you, directly in front of you, and ahead of you. But again, this is a PERSPECTIVE and not a specific action of control.
God's omniscience allows Him to view the past as if it is the present and the future as if it is the present. But that viewing or perspective in no way takes away our freedom of action.
The Bible constantly talks about our own free will just as it talks about God's nature of being all knowing. Jesus said at John 8:24: "I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”" There was free will to believe or not believe. Leviticus 22:23 says: "You may, however, present as a freewill offering an ox or a sheep that is deformed or stunted, but it will not be accepted in fulfillment of a vow."
My point is that God's foreknowledge of future events does not CAUSE us to act in any specific way. Perhaps we can view free will as a philosophical illusion. But as humans, we have choice. And whether or not someone knows what choice we will make does not directly impact how we make that choice.
